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It's now 5Waters the report back from select committee says Te Mana o te Wai satements can now also include seawater and geothermal water. An SOP entrenching a point of policy (ownership/control of water assets) was agreed, ie 60% majority needed to repeal. I didnt understand what Molly meant either, and had pretty much the same question. Means what it says, 'dominant' is an important qualifier and as roblogic says not individuals. A scientist says Waimate's drinking water nitrate contamination could be linked to recent changes in land use, including wastewater discharge from Oceania Dairy's factory in South Canterbury. Yes my biggest 'doh, what was I thinking moment' is to remember while at Auckland Uni marching with people up Queen Street in opposition to Mayor Robbie's light rail. I had experienced a profound feeling that I likened to colonisation instancing an attempt to compare Maori observational and learning techniques using an Euro-centric lens. Fucking old people holding everything back terrified of their own irrelevancy. Religion, culture, economics, politics are all fair game for generic criticism. By sheer coincidence I've just finished watched this: Decades ago I swam in these same pools, and I know the experience too. Spaced Out. That we have collectively allowed our lowland rivers to be compromised by uncontrolled dairy herd runoff and the like is a matter of widespread regret and concern. ", https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/478670/scientist-s-dairy-factory-concerns-over-unsafe-drinking-water. The Government is taking action to reduce waste and lower emissions from the building and construction sector in significant Building Act amendments announced today. (from Shanreagh's post of 1.55pm 17/11), And some people are so deep in our colonised culture that they do not understand what this means even after you point it out. Caroline Manzo and Danielle Staub. While this is true the foundation behind Three Waters is the Treaty of Waitangi and whether the Crown, as one of the parties to the Treaty, needs to/has to abide with a Treaty signed in good faith all those years ago. This goes a bit off the rails when your taking mythology and interpreting a genuine discovery of modern scientific concepts from it (which Dawkins objects to) because there is too much extrapolation beyond the evidence, though this is ultimately about history of science, not what is science anyway. Climate change is meaning we see more Portuguese Man (men?) This results in stupid duplication of effort, systems and an asset base that is a patchwork of different technologies all at different stages of their lifecycles which in turn gobbles up scarce cash. Home-base for the easily mis-led. Bottom line (for me): the 3Waters initiative is one way to improve our ageing water infrastructure, and it has progressive (or frightening, depending on your PoV) treaty partnership elements. Both of these make very little use of water apart from water being used by domestic animals who are not in a factory farm situation. You berate the concept of three waters for not fixing nitrate problem when it was not designed to do this. But the difference in costs is not driven by council size or at least not directly. Or are you referring to the other holding agency? She is currently Dale Aotea Stephens (Te Rarawa) has been selected by local party members as Nationals Christchurch Central candidate for the 2023 general election. to local owners decades ago. Its true I admire people with the ability to think critically and call out what is really going on. If Anker's qualifications match hers then fine. If we, as the Crown, let 'honouring the treaty' go there are any number of International laws/bodies that will remind us. Genealogy is a fast growing hobby. His eyes are staring, his mouth is open, his wings are spread. Or do you believe there is no place for it in our education system? eg what is the best condition to grow tomatoes? Labour want to gamble on an affirmative action with a resource that concerns everyone. ), do you think you can rejoin the adults? During the Lost Ark end-game, there is a lot to do, and part of the core loop involves travelling to Wandering Merchants to see their refreshed wares, which often allow you to gain more power. All you've done is listed her qualifications, and attempted to shame Anker by inferring that she is too stupid to understand. Incisive question you're flushing out the self-indulgent Romanticism of the well-to-do, intellectually-superficial, prestige-enhancing Pakeha Woke with a simple question on fundamental practicalities. I would suggest that direct observation of phenomena, using eyes, ears, fingers, feet etc. As several posters have said over the past month Maori with their view of water as a taonga are probably the least likely to privatise. fwiw, I can't tell if Robert's response to your comment that he is being disingenuous is real or playful. Can New Zealands Tech Sector Ride Adjustment Out? . But iwi interests will still have effective control of the resource, and if you control something you effectively own it, no matter what rights others have on paper. I've asked you both to stop throwing personal abuse. But I dont have enough time and this is a political blog, and perhaps not the most appropriate place for those kinds of musings and discussions, which are or should be a-political and non-partisan. I'm sorry, weka this does not make any sense in terms of the discussion. (This would be a great assignment for a mindfulness class, but science it aint. Here is a link about the scienctific method. I was not wanting to wade into New Zealands little furor about the proposed Three Waters reform. weka "The connections for Mori between past and present seem normal to me. My North West Heres how NASA and Europe will bring Mars samples back to Earth (video) Space News Five More Herschel Walker Exes Come Forward to Accuse Him of Terrifying, Violent Behavior: I Saw a Fist Flying Toward Me Mediaite (Leftwing) GMA co-anchors ignore Suffice to say over the years I have got more radical than less. In a word after much thought I felt 'colonised'. Men can be women if they so declare. Amalgamation leverages scale to sustain more consistent funding, better planning and more effective use of people. It's another form of racism, but one that makes those that perform it feel great. I would hope not, but your unqualified claim above implies it. data-widget-type="deal" data-render-type="editorial" data-viewports="tablet" data-widget-id="841df746-76ff-40d4-a9e7-ab3417951c7d" data-result="rendered">, Web. " Looking back you may have caught me with the/your sleight of hand regarding nitrates. Manipulative because while it tells us that only Maori have the moral capacity to manage water supply, everyone else being racist if they object to this. Are you also certain that no Mori has participated in the growth or development of a neoliberal capitalism? data-widget-type="deal" data-render-type="editorial" data-viewports="tablet" data-widget-id="32109afe-0442-429e-9956-2b3b26fabf42" data-result="rendered">, Web. " Perhaps 'performative' could be added to that dictionary owned by Swordfish that I want to get hold of. First rule of moderation, dont be a dick to the mods. I'm genuinely puzzled as to why you might imagine that cultures other than our own might follow a process such as you described. Every community in New Zealand should be a safe place to live, work and raise a family. And it's these problems everyone seems to concentrate on ( and rightly so), and not the progress our nation has made. So I give anyone in this situation licence to say what they like (but that doesn't mean you have to) . Are you the NZ equivalent of Rip van winkle and been asleep for two hundred years?..All through my working life we have court cases/narrative on the clauses in the treaty, the differences in meaning between the English version and the Maori version. Although sometimes defined as "an electronic version of a printed book", some e-books exist without a printed equivalent. I think they are bang on. Your pattern of discourse lately is becoming less informative, and more performative. Even with the best motives imaginable this was always going to be a traumatic collision. Embedded in this knowledge are gems of information and insight that an open and curious mind will often usefully re-interpret in light of modern understandings. My October 2022 reading was marked by a reacquaintance with old-school Pulp Fantasy and Horror, specifically a binge through the collected works of H.P. For ecosystems to function, we need water quality in rivers to be higher than drinkable for humans. All human knowledge starts with observation and the ability to abstract patterns from it. data-widget-type="deal" data-render-type="editorial" data-viewports="tablet" data-widget-id="15dbb4c2-7ef8-411d-b0da-6142a5653810" data-result="rendered">, Web. " Tokyo has 37 million residents. Robert, it's just a personal opinion. Usually legislation/policy will help with direction so that the undefinable becomes defined by legally or by use. "This became most apparent to me recently when it was discussed on RNZ and the two NZ academics countering Dawkins didn't dispute anything he had said while still claiming they disagreed with it.". She possibly may have a better handle on the issues than you or me. You seems to be saying there is no connection between the advance of science and the world view it creates, with white supremacy and colonisation. The assumption that somehow Maori are so unique that in New Zealand water can only be effectively managed by one minority ethnicity. The assumption also that 3W will give control of these vital assets to an elite group of unelected, unaccountable individuals. Does the sky fall in? I made the point that her qualifications may mean that she has a better grasp of the topic. When we treat water as an isolated thing, we perceive is as being able to come from anywhere. 'Tea tree oil is distilled from the leaves of the Melaleuca alternifolia plant, found in Australia. Other cultures dismiss such regard as nonsensical. They dont change a lot of places, since you might find them in Ankume Mountain, Rethramis Border, or Loghill. At which historic Hamilton bar do the Hamilton West candidates belong? But I digress.. much like X Socialist did. The Green Party backs the demands of Forest and Bird and calls on the Government to take urgent action to restore the health of the Hauraki Gulf/Tkapa Moana/ Te Moananui Toi. these are just a few examples. Master of Philosophy, Management & Employment Relations, Bachelor of Arts, Sociology & Mori Studies. Why didn't you state what you found particularly compelling, or ask Anker about what she had issues with? Because of that, knowing what you may want to buy or where you should look for them is the best way to prepare yourself ahead of time. That's for the farming industry to fix, not "3 Waters". It merely means neutrality or no official preference. (from Sacha). (As far as land was concerned this was to the private relief of many PS who were working in this field) So our treaty partner was able to stop part of the sale of land during a time when nobody else could. In the 1980/90s NZ Maori Council, representing the other Treaty partner was able to stop the Govt ie the Crown or other Treaty partner in its tracks and force it back to negotiations during the neolib free for all bargain basement sale of crown-owned assets. Isnt that true for all peoples? Being aware of science, its benefits, it ways of working in no way stops us from seeing if there are other good practices in other cultures. (don't underestimate the difficulty of doing this with the prosperity gospel here in NZ, The prosperity gospel (also known as the health and wealth gospel or by its most popular brand, the Word of Faith movement) is a perversion of the gospel of Jesus that claims that God rewards increases in faith with increases in health and/or wealth). Nothing she said changed my mind. This demonstrates (proves) nothingcertainly not whether population density is a deciding factor in providing adequate or sustainable service.indeed it dosnt even ascertain whether either of those conditions are met. Hunter Thompson above says the bill was reported back with 'minimal changes' that, with a lack of time to look myself, I took as meaning they did not go forward. And the idea Open access notables: Our increasing grip on understanding Earth systems reveals growing needs for operational instrumentation. Fill in your server and region then you can see how much time until the Merchants spawn or for how long they are up. The legislation will be modelled on Jacinda Ardern wont be drawn on which of her MPs will be retiring ahead of next years election but said its not a sign anyone is simply jumping ship. Thank you for reading the post of mine, it was a profound experience for me to feel. Whereas Moritanga holds certain things as sacred that we have long since profaned in our heedless pursuit of Money. But I am also a nice person who likes to give credit where credit is due. In New Zealand our drinking water standards say that the maximum amount of nitrate contamination allowed in our drinking water is 11.3mg per litre. The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse Pause With Map In Hand and Scratch Their Heads, Geoffrey Miller: What to expect from Volodymyr Zelenskys address to the New Zealand Parliament, 2022 SkS Weekly Climate Change & Global Warming News Roundup #49, Labour Pains: On the Hamilton West By-Election. Smith, and R.E. When you hear in the lands field iwi members talking of their relationships, passed down from ancestors, with stones, streams, paths etc and hear the stories and in the health field about Rongoa Maori there is a richness. I think we can rely on that Great Totara, Shanreagh, to know whats best for us all. Indeed the advent of modern water supply treatment, both potable and waste, in the 1800s was the driver of one of the greatest extensions of human life expectancies ever. Weird But True!Fast Facts. "I'm genuinely puzzled as to why you might imagine that cultures other than our own might follow a process such as you described.". Extending this further Maori have as much right to have their views considered, in the operations of govt as anyone else. Or when you speak of Mori, is it an abstract concept, devoid from all those with Mori whakapapa? Except when they disagree, then apparently they are the sad self-hating products of colonialism. X Socialist was quite wrong to bring Christianity into it. And some people are so deep in our colonised culture that they do not understand what this means even after you point it out. And on it stumbles, like the angel of the future, backwards into the great unknown. data-widget-type="deal" data-render-type="editorial" data-viewports="tablet" data-widget-id="6f5554a3-ec26-4515-9be0-6f8ea6f8c41b" data-result="rendered">, Web. " It comes complete with a built in set of anti PM, anti women and anti Murray views. For instance, bullet point 9 about soy makes me question this list. They can also drive to town and fill up plastic water containers with water from outside the contaminated area. In 2006, Fijis current Prime Minister, Voreqe Bainimarama. Some people have beliefs that imbue water with special significance. My feelings aren't hurt, X. Im not cluttering the thread. But people with those feelings or who may water as part of their creation stories are to be disregarded as being of no benefit. "The new biology curriculum has been discussed before: https://researcharchive.vuw.ac.nz/xmlui/handle/10063/6369". Tim Ng National's still on track to win the general election, the government removes the Three Waters entrenchment clause and Willie Jackson's "trainwreck" interview about the RNZ/TVNZ merger. I am sure they are waiting on the steak knives before advertising these as a useful addition. Too much to expect you to recall that this 'woman' was an academic. I cop quite a lot of flack on this site. Weird But True! There are water supply schemes that were set up by Govt and sold? I do wholeheartedly agree with him on issues such as the PMC, cultural elites etc. Do you accept that people can do that process of observation, and testing to establish facts in their home garden? Six year wait for three waters reforms far too long, says Scottish expert [27 June 2022], Three Waters: National's policy to be revealed closer to election [13 Nov 2022]. Thank you to the University of Auckland for hosting this DevNet Alcohol licensing hearings will become more accessible and less adversarial as the Government removes barriers preventing community voices from being heard, Justice Minister Kiri Allan said today. Am I not part of the Maori culture then Robert? THOMAS CRANMER: Three Waters passes but at what cost? The Crown could have found that the other party was an extractive, water polluting, river damming people with that as a culture. Webmodifier - modifier le code - modifier Wikidata Le livre numrique (en anglais: ebook ou e-book), aussi connu sous les noms de livre lectronique et de livrel , est un livre dit et diffus en version numrique, disponible sous la forme de fichiers , qui peuvent tre tlchargs et stocks pour tre lus sur un cran , (ordinateur personnel , tlphone The fact that so many on here, speak not for themselves, but for all Mori with such certainty, is to me an obvious form of racism. But a referendum on whether to abide by a Treaty or the rule of lawnah. You mock it, call it embarrassing. Ah, well t'was obviously a forlorn hope. 1 co governance is first and foremost a recognition and way forward to enable to recognise the rights of the other party to the Treaty of Waitangi. That it was Europe where this progress came to a focal point during the Rennaissance and later the Industrial Revolution, is entirely an accident of geography and historic circumstance. Well he has said on this site he is a "dead man walking" re his cancer. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/what-you-should-know-about-the-prosperity-gospel/. WebAll classifieds - Veux-Veux-Pas, free classified ads Website. As much as I do not like the electricity reforms of Max Bradford I do not describe him as being corrupt any more than I would describe those in the Labour Govt who signed up to the neo lib reform coming out of Chicago as being corrupt. Job done. Our Government is focused on tackling the complex issues that cause crime while also making sure that appropriate consequences are in place. In that situation, humans need water to survive. I know many of say you don't understand, or can't comprehend but that is because your idea of Mori has definitive boundaries and understandings and limits the ability for comprehension when other viewpoints are expressed. Gone is the idea of sloshing vinegar. I see it being something Labour has been very sneaky about. Ko t te pire, he whakatinana i New Zealanders will be able to enjoy spray-free strawberries grown through a hi-tech new system almost all year round through a Government-backed pilot project based in Foxton, Agriculture Minister Damien OConnor announced. Typically, a countrys success would be measured by GDP, employment rates, and net debt, but this report aims to redefine how New Zealand measures growth. I worked in the water supply industry for 8 years. It is ironic that quite a few anti-Murrays here gravitate to that pool of populist propaganda fountain of wisdom. It doesn't need the condescending fripperies and mangled reinterpretations currently assigned to meet current political criteria. For more information, please fill out the form. "You don't trust the veracity of my comments??". And that, is one of the many reasons why the current co-governance proposals should be abandoned. During the Lost Ark end-game, there is a lot to do, and part of the core loop involves travelling to Wandering Merchants to see their refreshed wares, which Nationals Tama Potaka has beaten Labours Georgie Dansey by 2285 votes according to the preliminary byelection results released last night. A few weeks before Christmas, my sister and I would help our grandma make her Christmas cakes in a silver bowl that we could have used as a bathtub. much as I do not like the electricity reforms of Max Bradford I do not describe him as being corrupt. I (like many others) have a sincere and deep appreciation for the many aspects of Mori culture, art and perspectives and give it due value. All pretty much accurate, Anker. There is a difference between scholarship and opinion. The usual rules of good behaviour apply (see the Policy). And more profoundly, good people/nations abide by the rule of law and know when it is the right thing to do. Are you confident your definition is not limited in scope and inclusion? WebLatest breaking news, including politics, crime and celebrity. Since when did governance models move away from the secular and into the spiritual and undefinable? I wrote my 'embarrassing' article that you have quoted from at 1.55pm this afternoon. What happened to Nationals policy machine? I was talking to Mollynot a hillbilly from down South. In the continent of North Vern, you may find Peter in one of these locations: Port Krona, Fesnar Highland, Balankar Mountains, Parna Forest, or Vernese Forest at 12:30, 3:30, 4:30, 6:30, 7:30, 10:30. The day Maori can do what Viktor Schauberger did with water, may be the day I take you seriously. My wish would be that people slow down and make more effort to get what the other person is saying, rather than trying to push ones own view. Also a sense of calmness, even though discussions can get feisty. It could be a rowdy Hollywood, The Hamilton pub and bar scene of the late 90s and early 2000s is horrifyingly familiar to, https://www.taumataarowai.govt.nz/news/frequently-asked-questions/#:~:text=Is%20Taumata%20Arowai%20part%20of,Government's%20Three%20Waters%20Reform%20programme, https://www.rnz.co.nz/national/programmes/music101/audio/2018793733/25-years-of-omc-s-how-bizarre, https://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-12-11-2022/#comment-1921823, approach to dialogue on here to be disingenuous, and then ignoring the content of answers in order to focus on an irrelevance, https://thestandard.org.nz/daily-review-14-11-2022/#comment-1921602, https://www.threewaters.govt.nz/news/bill-1-the-water-services-entities-bill/, https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/what-you-should-know-about-the-prosperity-gospel/. So we get nitrification, and eutrophication and anoxic rivers and ponds, and Government responds late, if at all. The Psyker Force Staff, in this case, is only available to the Psyker class. Polls have closed in the Hamilton West by-election, with results expected within the next few hours. ", "But we both appreciate running water and toilets that flush.". This is what I see now happens to many cultural aspects of our Treaty partner. I have a full vintage 100ml bottle ("Blended in USA", tall, rectangular face, shallow depth, with rectangular silver cap) from the late 1970s or early 1980s and one from either 2021 or 2011 ("Made in France- batch code 1E01) as used for Co-Governance is Orthodox Policy for both National and Labour, Newscorp and Victorian Liberals were just so out of touch. Not everything is that easy to fix of course. The Green Party is proud to support Kohuptiki Marae to uphold the mana of their awa. Co-governance has almost nothing to do with all that cultural stuff. The lists do not show all contributions to every state ballot measure, or each independent expenditure committee And we end up with infrastructure that is failing, because when we treat nature like shit we inevitably end up treating humans like shit too, who are after all, part of nature too. By the 1600's the Europeans were at least 100 years ahead of everyone else in terms of technology and political sophistication, and this combined with an age old habit of empire drove one last impulse of colonisation across the globe. others, often from the dominant culture, cast aspersions based on their lack of knowledge and often from an unwillingness to even seek out other sources. Opportunity This is a rare opportunity to own [] A fair comment. They say we should be able to drink water from our rivers, streams and lakes. Few things are more interesting than the power which a little knowledge of scientific matters gives us of seeing wonders in the commonest objects before us, and if what I have said be true on a grand scale, it is also true on a small scale, if we cultivate the faculty of observing nature truthfully, taking care not to be deceived by thinking we understand the things themselves because we have learned to make use of the terms applied to them. A week ago, someone I live with tested Covid positive, and despite my best efforts (testing every day), today I finally succumbed. More than 1000 delegates are expected to attend the annual event which attracts leaders and professionals from across the water services industry and business. Peril and Warp Stacks, worst still warp stacks, even completely talented, are a negligible gameplay change for psyker. Given your propensity for making requests, and then ignoring the content of answers in order to focus on an irrelevance on this thread at this time, I'm just going to say "No.". Then I've been in a women's barbershop type chorus and in the chorus of the Messiah probably half a dozen times since age 13. ), "Re adults, I don't class as adult, people who choose not to pronounce common Maori words correctly including the name of the race itself.". data-widget-type="deal" data-render-type="editorial" data-viewports="tablet" data-widget-id="9ef17ea2-ef45-4ae3-bd5b-cf93789e8b08" data-result="rendered">, Web. " Bryce Edwards: Labour was meant to save public broadcasting, not weaken it, Skeptical Science New Research for Week #49 2022, "There will be no new mines on conservation land", Gordon Campbell on the TVNZ/RNZ merger battles, Bryce Edwards: Labour needs Mahuta to go, but shes too powerful. I also read a Spinoff article with a woman defending Maori scientific discovery in the context of Dawkins visit. Come and visit our site, already thousands of classified ads await you What are you waiting for? Walkthrough: How to Beat Spy Island Fight the agents of B.A.D. Found in 2 minutes of googling. BBC set out the best ways of dealing with these stings. data-widget-type="deal" data-render-type="editorial" data-viewports="tablet" data-widget-id="9c8f3e5c-88f6-426a-8af5-2509430002bb" data-result="rendered">, streaming services with local channels and dvr. You are coming across as dweadfully besotted, Anker! I can't surmise anything from this, and neither frankly can you. Are you suggesting we unwind this, and revert to the ravages of cholera once again? I see it as being about having different ideas. Robert Guyton. I've been trying to determine what it is that really bothers me about assigning extra meaning and significance to Mori contributions to understanding, art, culture etc, and I've come to the following view: It is the assumption that Mori contributions are of no value without all these re-interpretations and extracted meaning. Not really it harks back to the unhelpful slants that are being taken in the Woe is me Three Waters and the involvement of Maori is going to be the end of civilisation as we know it brigade. The government has announced a new set of rules to ensure proper and humane treatment of people detained by Police, Defence forces, or other New Zealand agencies during offshore deployments. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google, . Do people really not know now how far we have come, how much we have benefitted, especially in govt circles from an involvement from Maori? I understand you likely disagree with this. Mine certainly don't. Well work with drinking water suppliers in whichever form they take.". "the largely untested Maori entity as stewards". Someone, possibly Churchill, said, if you're not a radical at 20 you haven't got a heart; if you're not a conservative at 40 you haven't got a head. Medical gender transition in New Zealand: How common is it really? Unless of course, they can bring themselves to admit that when they speak of Mori, my Mori perspective is not wanted and doesn't meet the grade, so I am not included. I have no confidence in the proposed structure of the 3 waters reform, which I would describe as lacking the appropriate constitutional safeguards. The problem? data-widget-type="deal" data-render-type="editorial" data-viewports="tablet" data-widget-id="9af62133-bf4e-4c89-b253-65f17439fe5b" data-result="rendered">, Web. " https://teara.govt.nz/en/artwork/26966/poroporo-plant, https://www.kiwiherb.co.nz/about-us/herb-profiles/poroporo/. The main reason the Maori footprint was light was the same as it was for Pakeha for quite some time smaller populations create less mischief. And this changed everything. This bat shit crazy idea (from the States) has wormed its way into our culture and lead to denial of basic biological facts. I am entirely serious: you should be embarrassed for referencing colonisation in such a way.
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